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Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp)
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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:08 pm

Jim My 914-6 had a 2.0 s engine in it and 901 gearbox, it weighed 1950 and I ran 23mm front torsionbars 22 mm front sway bar, 225 pound rear springs and Bilsteins sports all around. I ran street r compound tires and it was a nice package ask Dan we chased each other alot. my camber settings were 1.5 in front and 2.0 in back .. it was limited by the front camber
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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:56 pm

Jim, with 23 mm front bars the 180s aren't enough rear spring, 4 or 6. you need at least 225s like Larry had to balance the 23s, otherwise the car will push real bad.
So are you building a 6? I thought you were building a 4? Flares and big wheels...boy am I going to have to pedal fast just to keep you in sight. :?

when did you make the change in build?

Looking forward to seeing your finished product and running with you...
Larry it is time to get that yellow car back on the big track, don't you think?
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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:07 pm

I already signed up to run March 30th I have a tough time just making play days being the Zone Rep
1993 RS America
Grand Prix White
Car #6

1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:10 pm

I am working on having the car ready for the 30th. If we change the belt/seat rules right away I can always bring the Boxster as a backup. 8)
We know it can hold its own...
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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:33 pm

well remember how even it was ... now I have the rs motor new torsion bars but I am a few years older so I have slowed down lol it might be even
1993 RS America
Grand Prix White
Car #6

1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:38 pm

wouldn't even think it would be even now....I am on street tires now, no R rated rubber. everything else is the same...now that you have done your torsion bars,,I would think you would be setting sail on me....my only advantage before was in the corners, and you would walk on me on the straights.
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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:39 pm

yeah I think I drive thunderhill better than I drive Buttonwillow .. I never had a crush on the desert track like i do for thunderhill
1993 RS America
Grand Prix White
Car #6

1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:45 pm

when we were up at TH for the instructor certification we were both doing pretty well since we were reeling in Frederick Rauch in his 996C4 and he was doing 2:15s.

I know I drive TH better than BW, especially when we drive it CCW (the correct direction)
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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:48 pm

oh its a public forum I better be nice.... Mr R is a fine guy ...:)
well if you do sign up for the 30th ... lets do lunch .... Ill probally run street tires since its just for play I got to save the fast tires for Parade .. maybe this year I can win my class at a parade
1993 RS America
Grand Prix White
Car #6

1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:51 pm

No hit on Frederick, just relaying the fact that we were doing pretty well in our little cars.
Hmmm, street tires...I might still have a bit of a chance.
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Post by Jim McClelland » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:56 pm

Dan, Larry -

Thanks for the input. The car is a ways off in terms of being ready to run (bodywork and chassis stiffening adds in back are done, motor mount in), and it's presently at the paint shop for a cheapie make-it-all-one-color-again paint job.

The motor is a used 3.2 (with new valve job). 901 trans with a new bearing carrier plate. 944 turbo brakes.

We still need to install the engine and trans, hard pipe the front oil cooler (and the rest of the oil system), move the fuel pump up front - all those kinds of things - and install the brakes.

I doubt I'll have it ready for March 30, so Buttonwillow will be its maiden voyage.

I appreciate both your input. I'll pick your brains at Infineon!

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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:09 pm

OK that seals it....I can't pedal that fast...at least not after you get the car sorted and get your driving together.
With a stock 3.2 you might even need 250+ pound rear springs.
be careful in 1st and 2nd with the 3.2. Ask Sergio about 901s and 3.2s, and about the springs he had in his 3.2 GT look 914. Heck ask me about 2.7RS motors and 901s with short gears.
901s don't like torque in 1st and 2nd, after that they do OK.

Sounds like it going to be a nice little car. I will try to get some instructor time with you once you have it done. We can fit it in somewhere during a weekend.
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Post by Jim McClelland » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:43 pm

I've been duly warned about the 901. Hopefully I can be careful enough with it for a season and a half, then flip to a 915.

I keyed in on your comment of when I "get my driving together." I couldn't agree more!

Bottom line is that I'm having a great time building the car, and learning everything that's involved in doing so. Tom Martenot is a great teacher.

I look forward to you instructing me.

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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:58 pm

looking forward to seeing and riding in your new hotrod Jim.

now get back to work on that car...
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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:58 am

Jim some people are able to survive with a 901 but no matter what it will have to be redone alot more often than a 915. to avoid the issue just run 165-15 tires
1993 RS America
Grand Prix White
Car #6

1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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Post by Jim McClelland » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:12 am

We could start a GGR drifting event...

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Post by Dan Thompson » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:26 am

Jim you wont be doing any drifting with a 901 hooked to a 3.2L :lol: at least not for long.
even with 205s for 1 season with my 914-6 I trashed the tranny.
and it didnt help when I went to 225s on the rear for the next few year.
5 years, 4 tranny rebuilds...901s do not like motors with torque.
anything over 2.4 is just waiting for it to happen. Factory went to 915 when the motors got bigger than 2.4
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Post by dtfastbear » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:04 pm

Maybe you'll get "lucky" and it'll be wet. Then you won't need to trash the tranny. Just keep it in 3rd gear the whole way around... :lol:
Faster than the average bear...

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Post by Dan Thompson » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:12 pm

that would be my advice Dean :lol:

blew 2nd gear out of my 901 just accelerating out of the grid at BW years ago...and we all know you don't go blasting past Chilli...
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Post by dtfastbear » Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:15 pm

I knew it! You 914 guys are always claiming you only have like 50 HP, and here the true stories finally come out - breaking transmissions accelerating away in 2nd gear!!! I knew there was a ton of HP in those little things! :wink:
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