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PAUL LARSON
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Post by PAUL LARSON » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:19 am

Hi Dan or David,
I noticed no rules about disconnecting or removing
sway bars. By removing the sway bars, you would
get a little more body roll in the turns which would add
more camber to the outside wheels. Did I miss
something in the sway bar rules? Why wouldn't more
guys remove these bars?
Paul

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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:08 pm

Interesting point Paul, But I think what you would gain way too much Roll with out sway bars on both sides of the car. Just watch a early 911 run that has no sway bars and you would see what happens.. the newer cars with wider tires would probally be best set up with smallish swaybars and stiff springs to keep the wider tires flat to the ground, and camber dialed in statically for tire grip.
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Post by Dan Thompson » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:47 pm

wow, Paul now I am really going to need to check out your 997. Lets see, cut springs and sway bars disconnected, have we missed anything else? :lol: :lol:

Interesting question but I think Larry got it.
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Post by PAUL LARSON » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:41 am

So I guess I am right that removing sway
bars does not change the modification points.
Paul

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Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:41 pm

I would say removing sway bars would not add points
1993 RS America
Grand Prix White
Car #6

1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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Re: Sway Bars

Post by Ken Jones » Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:39 pm

PAUL LARSON wrote:So I guess I am right that removing sway
bars does not change the modification points.
Paul
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Post by Dan Thompson » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:18 pm

:lol: :lol: :shock: :shock: :?
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Post by Ken Jones » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:14 am

Naaaah. I just feel that 'home brew' suspensions changes like cutting springs and omitting AR bars is just asking for it. The potential to just screw it up is really high. Points, Smoints... just make the car handle the way you want and land where you land.


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Post by PAUL LARSON » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:37 am

Hi Ken,
Your probably right but it is interesting to
find out what other people think and do. I
was looking at ways of getting faster laps without
moving up in class.
I think that next year, I will have some bilstein PSS9
coil overs installed and move up to another class.
Paul

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Post by David Leong » Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:48 am

There are many ways to get faster without incurring points. You can even gain back points and still get faster.

I have improved by many seconds at all of our tracks without changing class.

Most of car setup is not about the components, but about the implementation and quality. Poor installations are just costly points for no gain. There is no penalty for alignment, and corner balancing. There is no penalty for proper sway bar setup and balance. Once you have non-stock parts, the adjustments and how you put them to use are mostly free.

Of course, the best thing to improve is the nut behind the wheel.
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Post by PAUL LARSON » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:05 pm

Hi David,
Thanks for the advice. I am looking forward to
improving my smoothness in driving. I
sometimes get so into the points that I
loose sense of the fun of driving. I just
need to step back and remember that
I enjoy driving fast and safe and the track
is the safest place to do both. I am looking forward
to the August event.
Paul

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Post by Dan Thompson » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:10 pm

Paul, if I were you with that nice car you have I would do the following.
Don't do a thing to the suspension at all...period.
since you are fairly new to all this I would leave it as it is and learn to get everything out of it as it is before I made changes.
the biggest performance gain you can make is to hone your driving skills.
Attend as many AXs as you can and learn all the dynamics of your car in an extremely safe environment and then transfer that knowledge and ability to the big track.
your car as it currently sits is capable of times in the 2:10 range or even slightly better. The 997 is a very capable car right off the showroom floor.
Leave it alone and drive it like you stole it :)
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Post by PAUL LARSON » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:59 pm

Hi Dan,
I have been driving it like I stole it. I have been to
four track events and enjoy every minute at these events.
This car is the best car I have ever own. I reallly enjoy
throwing it into a turn and watch what will happen. I just
wish the car would do what I want when the tires and
the track surface get real hot.
I feel with time I will respect the car and it will come to me.
Paul

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