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Lowering springs & m030 sway bars point penalty

Post by PorscheG96 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:52 am

Hi, I recently bought a Porsche 968 and registered with PCA-GGR to do autocross and DE in 2008. After classifying my car I discovered that it's 145 points above the baseline of 400 and resides in AX11. The biggest chunk of my mod points are attributed to "non-stock" front lowering springs that the PO installed because he liked a slightly lowered look on this non-m030 968, and factory m030 sway bars. My question is, should 45 modification points really be assessed for lowering springs and 30 points for factory m030 sway bars? It doesn't seem fair to be handicapped 75 points where a 968 m030 gets only 20 points for fully adjustable ride-height, shocks/struts, and the same sway bars. Please comment because now I'm facing the prospect of ruining the nice lowered look of my 968 just to go down 1 class in PCA AX. :( Thanks.
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Re: Lowering springs & m030 sway bars point penalty

Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:31 am

If you had the full M030 suspension which is still pretty softly sprung you would only get that penalty.. But since the previous owner of your car put aftermarket springs, which can be very stiff.. you are put have those extra Mod Points. It is a much better suspension probally than just an M030 one. Did you just pick stiff springs and just sway bars and not pick the M030 ? it is one or the other not both in your case.
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Re: Lowering springs & m030 sway bars point penalty

Post by PorscheG96 » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:59 pm

Hi Larry, thanks for the reply.

I selected non-m030 suspension and non-stock sway bars + non-stock springs when classifying my 968. Do you think I could select m030 suspension for 55 pts less instead? A complete m030 setup [bigger brakes and spindles, thicker sway bars, stiffer front springs, rear helper springs, and adjustable struts/shocks w/ threaded bodies for ride-height adjustment] only gets penalized 20 mod points. At 75 mod points, my m030 sway bars and off-the-shelf front H&R 250# lowering springs [rear suspension absolutely stock] will be competing with fully customized/adjustable sway bars and 1000# F+R springs! :shock: I feel that my car's setup is inferior to a 968 m030 setup but I'd absolutely be willing to take the full 20 m030 mod points. Any possibility of a review? My biggest goal is to have fun this season but I'd like to be competitive and fairly-classed to avoid getting my doors blown off! :D

If you wish to discuss further in person, please e-mail me at PorscheG96@yahoo.com so we can exchange contact info. Thanks.
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Re: Lowering springs & m030 sway bars point penalty

Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:59 am

I always would advise you to put into the classifying system how your car is set up .. If your just going to autocross you wont be going against a car that has 1000 pound springs .. if you do your 250 pound rated springs would perform way better. There is a big difference between a car that is set up for autocross or track events and one that is set up for looks. How many years experience do you have in competition events? No matter how your car is set up I hope you would have fun driving it ..
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Grand Prix White
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1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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Re: Lowering springs & m030 sway bars point penalty

Post by PorscheG96 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:20 am

Here's an update in case anyone else has this question in the future.

I'll be installing either factory 968 m030 or 968 clubsport front suspension to complement m030 sway bars and remove the aftermarket H&R spring points from my classification. Either factory spring option will allow my car to retain its lowered ride height which is important. Since the 968 m030 option includes these springs and sway bars, the 75 points for non-stock springs and sway bars will consolidate to 20 m030 points when factory parts are installed.

Saving 55 points lowers my classification to AX12 for 2008 where I'm not doing battle with Cayman S, 997 S, and 996 TT in my poor little 968. 8)
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Re: Lowering springs & m030 sway bars point penalty

Post by Zone7Rep(Larry Sharp) » Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:49 am

Your Poor little 968 is one of the best cars for autocrossing in that list you mentioned...
1993 RS America
Grand Prix White
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1974 911 Carrera (resides in Australia)
Light Yellow

1974 914-6 GT (resides in San Luis obispo)

1987 944 turbo (location unknown)

1979 911SC(Hummers have it)

1972 911T (location unknown)

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